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		<title>By: Baruch</title>
		<link>http://ultimibarbarorum.com/2008/11/12/trimming-the-hedgies/comment-page-1/#comment-4000</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baruch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know, Stock, I don&#039;t even remember. It depends what I had on the other side, and how much of it I had. 2008 was actually OK for me on the long short side; other parts of it sucked very very much. I only do tech, so CLF et al was not the subject of my shorting.

I was relatively late with the thesis, true, but I had been trading on it before I blogged it, so it worked out OK. Not a mega slam dunk, and horribly stressful, but I can&#039;t complain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, Stock, I don&#8217;t even remember. It depends what I had on the other side, and how much of it I had. 2008 was actually OK for me on the long short side; other parts of it sucked very very much. I only do tech, so CLF et al was not the subject of my shorting.</p>
<p>I was relatively late with the thesis, true, but I had been trading on it before I blogged it, so it worked out OK. Not a mega slam dunk, and horribly stressful, but I can&#8217;t complain.</p>
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		<title>By: StockJockey</title>
		<link>http://ultimibarbarorum.com/2008/11/12/trimming-the-hedgies/comment-page-1/#comment-3988</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StockJockey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 00:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So how did you come out on that trade? 

It was the 7th inning for the those trades, we were close to the bottom of price, not necessarily time, in things like CLF which was the posterboy for knuckleheads.

Ultimately I heard Falcone never even lobbed a call into management before amassing that stake, something I find hard to believe but relayed but a reliable old time source.

You had to turn the knife on Tontine etc first week of October to really ring the register but only the most plugged in and experienced people knew what was going on.

add thest to you list MT CME SHLD etc 

you were too late with thesis, no?

Citadel GLG Highbridge Brevan Howard all are generally alive and breathing, and in some cases ready to capitalize on some of the misfortunes of others.

Harbinger will probably emerge as distressed fund, heard they are ready to make some changes.

Gotta believe Atticus is all but done.

But avoiding, or shorting AAPL and RIMM GOOG on November 13th?

In hindsight, that trade was over. 

Hopefully one upshot of all this is that the smaller emerging managers are able to get taken more seriously, I knew of several that had pitched the likes of Fairfield Greenwich over the past years,  only to be laughed at by the khaki wearing guys in those pristine offices.

And many of the fund of funds and Euro&#039;s were just as condescending.


Regards,

SJ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how did you come out on that trade? </p>
<p>It was the 7th inning for the those trades, we were close to the bottom of price, not necessarily time, in things like CLF which was the posterboy for knuckleheads.</p>
<p>Ultimately I heard Falcone never even lobbed a call into management before amassing that stake, something I find hard to believe but relayed but a reliable old time source.</p>
<p>You had to turn the knife on Tontine etc first week of October to really ring the register but only the most plugged in and experienced people knew what was going on.</p>
<p>add thest to you list MT CME SHLD etc </p>
<p>you were too late with thesis, no?</p>
<p>Citadel GLG Highbridge Brevan Howard all are generally alive and breathing, and in some cases ready to capitalize on some of the misfortunes of others.</p>
<p>Harbinger will probably emerge as distressed fund, heard they are ready to make some changes.</p>
<p>Gotta believe Atticus is all but done.</p>
<p>But avoiding, or shorting AAPL and RIMM GOOG on November 13th?</p>
<p>In hindsight, that trade was over. </p>
<p>Hopefully one upshot of all this is that the smaller emerging managers are able to get taken more seriously, I knew of several that had pitched the likes of Fairfield Greenwich over the past years,  only to be laughed at by the khaki wearing guys in those pristine offices.</p>
<p>And many of the fund of funds and Euro&#8217;s were just as condescending.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>SJ</p>
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		<title>By: Baruch</title>
		<link>http://ultimibarbarorum.com/2008/11/12/trimming-the-hedgies/comment-page-1/#comment-2402</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baruch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes! That&#039;s right. I am surprised you guys didn&#039;t get the allusion. Well done Paul. A signed copy of Spinoza&#039;s Theologico-Political Treatise in the original latin is on its way to you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! That&#8217;s right. I am surprised you guys didn&#8217;t get the allusion. Well done Paul. A signed copy of Spinoza&#8217;s Theologico-Political Treatise in the original latin is on its way to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul D. Castro, CFA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul D. Castro, CFA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have none of you read &quot;Reminiscences of a Stock Operator&quot;?  The &quot;Larry&quot; bit is an obvious bow to that book and Larry Livingston, the alter-ego of Jesse Livermore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have none of you read &#8220;Reminiscences of a Stock Operator&#8221;?  The &#8220;Larry&#8221; bit is an obvious bow to that book and Larry Livingston, the alter-ego of Jesse Livermore.</p>
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		<title>By: baruch</title>
		<link>http://ultimibarbarorum.com/2008/11/12/trimming-the-hedgies/comment-page-1/#comment-2328</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[baruch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Jock, what happens in January? Tell us more about this Ackman. What trades are left?

Indeed it would be ironic if the &quot;real&quot; hedgies Herr Gogerty mentions formed a crowded trade betting on the crowded trades of the &quot;fake alpha&quot; hedgies.

What would we all do then?

Me, I remember it took a good couple of years for the go go mutual funds to become small enough and widely ignored. Maybe it will be quicker this time for the fake hedgies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jock, what happens in January? Tell us more about this Ackman. What trades are left?</p>
<p>Indeed it would be ironic if the &#8220;real&#8221; hedgies Herr Gogerty mentions formed a crowded trade betting on the crowded trades of the &#8220;fake alpha&#8221; hedgies.</p>
<p>What would we all do then?</p>
<p>Me, I remember it took a good couple of years for the go go mutual funds to become small enough and widely ignored. Maybe it will be quicker this time for the fake hedgies.</p>
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		<title>By: StockJockey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StockJockey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With the 13-F&#039;s rolling in we will be able to see how much &quot;they&quot; have sold.

Great piece, would have been absolutely genius  3-6 months ago.

Shooting against them has been one of  best trades  ever. But what inning is it? New ballgame starts in January.

But Ackman just filed on SHLD, he got out in 3Q, 

All they piggybackers on that trade have been carried out, broke ranks and scattered.

But the days of these smart ass 30 year olds going uptown to Columbia to hear Bishop from Impala pontificate on airlines and fertilizer, and piggyback the next day are over.

And Fund of funds are lemmings. Basel 2 was a joke, prop desks copied their customers.

big is not better.

RIP Hedgistan  



Certainly could go down more, but]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the 13-F&#8217;s rolling in we will be able to see how much &#8220;they&#8221; have sold.</p>
<p>Great piece, would have been absolutely genius  3-6 months ago.</p>
<p>Shooting against them has been one of  best trades  ever. But what inning is it? New ballgame starts in January.</p>
<p>But Ackman just filed on SHLD, he got out in 3Q, </p>
<p>All they piggybackers on that trade have been carried out, broke ranks and scattered.</p>
<p>But the days of these smart ass 30 year olds going uptown to Columbia to hear Bishop from Impala pontificate on airlines and fertilizer, and piggyback the next day are over.</p>
<p>And Fund of funds are lemmings. Basel 2 was a joke, prop desks copied their customers.</p>
<p>big is not better.</p>
<p>RIP Hedgistan  </p>
<p>Certainly could go down more, but</p>
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		<title>By: Vanderghast</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vanderghast]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 02:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unbelievably awesome and accurate post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unbelievably awesome and accurate post.</p>
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		<title>By: nick gogerty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nick gogerty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think the hedge funds for the most part ever existed.  Maybe 100-200 out of the 10,000.  the other were just a compensation class.  Yes I work for one and yes I am up for the year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the hedge funds for the most part ever existed.  Maybe 100-200 out of the 10,000.  the other were just a compensation class.  Yes I work for one and yes I am up for the year.</p>
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		<title>By: baruch</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[baruch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[pedants]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pedants</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Moneybags</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr Moneybags]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s Jesse Livermore, not Larry. His middle name was Lauriston, though, so you&#039;re no that far off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s Jesse Livermore, not Larry. His middle name was Lauriston, though, so you&#8217;re no that far off.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Knights</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger Knights]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you meant Jesse Livermore, not Larry (last paragraph).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you meant Jesse Livermore, not Larry (last paragraph).</p>
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		<title>By: Oz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 04:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Even if I am wrong about the fundamentals I will have the wind of their redemption at my back&quot;

The easiest trade for small managers is to play redemptions at the moment - the overhang on some of these stocks is outrageous]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Even if I am wrong about the fundamentals I will have the wind of their redemption at my back&#8221;</p>
<p>The easiest trade for small managers is to play redemptions at the moment &#8211; the overhang on some of these stocks is outrageous</p>
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